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Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Star Fleet Battles: New Product Development: Module K2: More gunboats: Module K2?: Archive through July 07, 2002
By Stuart C. Brennen (Evlstu) on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 12:19 am: Edit

It could have any variants of the various Int's.
NOT MANY OF THOSE
It could further detail how to handle mixed squadrons of PF's; either from different races or, more likely, mixed PF/Int. squadrons.
NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN! BUT NOT MUCH NEEDED FOR RULES
More one shot ships carring PF's. More scenarios and history would be very welcome. It could further detail Skiffs and all the other civilian and auxilary ships that are about the size of a PF or slightly larger (but still smaller than a size class 4 FF or Police ship).
IT COULD
It could cover some Early Years stuff by explaining why such small warships were either never built or were discontinued once people started going into DEEP space and the small ships just couldn't handle that kind of strain on the engines. Or just some small early ships with equally small engines and range.
NOPE
You could even go far as to cover the kind PF type vessels running around AFTER both General War and the Andro.
NONE
I'm sure that there were a few things that everyone's favorite race is missing or seems to be missing.
TELL US WHAT THEY ARE

By Scott Tenhoff (Scottt) on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Since FCRs were introduced.

Why not FPRs (Fast PF Resupply) ships. PFs can be stored as cargo. About 6 PFs in storage per hull.

They are introducing PTP (PF Transport Pod) in the Advanced Operations for F+E.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 08:48 pm: Edit

Most leader PFs have Have the Weapons of the craft they are to lead. ( Check out HOWLER PFL, HELION PFL & HARRIER PFL )

I think their is one PF forgotten in this.

THE SCOUT PF LEADER.

Not so one can lead a Floatilla of scouts bat rather so the floatilla scout can have stronger sheilds and larger hull.

By James Cain (Jcain) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 12:46 pm: Edit

michael john campbell:

Kzinti have it - MRN Leader with scout pallets - See Module K.

By Mark Kuyper (Mark_K) on Friday, June 28, 2002 - 07:59 pm: Edit

Taking a peek in here, I realize that one ship I proposed a while ago would fit here. Its an F5B with the rear phasers yanked an 3 mech linked tracs put in. Designated a 'strike' tender its primary uses are comparable to a CVL/CVEs.

Four other items that could go into a 'K2' would be
1) Alternate weapons layouts.
2) Recon/Survey PFs (intended for use with survey ships)
3) Late war "PF - DB" squadrons using PFs equipts with drones and having extra cargo room aboard.
4) 'Special Concept' PFs, such as a Kzinti "Drone control" PF that could get within 35 hexes of a target fleet and accept control of launched drones. It would have double control. Gorns would probably have one with a pair of 'T-Bomb ONLY' transporters for Sub-hunting. etc..

By David N. Dorris (Darkstar2011) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 05:53 pm: Edit

How about a Ground Attack Variant for the PF. Replace the heavy weapons with Transporter Artillery Racks that allow the PF to provide fire support to ground combat. The Transporter Artillery Racks would probably need an ammo supply of around 4-6 rounds.

By michael john campbell (Michaelcampbell) on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 09:26 am: Edit

An interceptor or two with Ph-Gs would be cool for escorting Stingers into battle.

So maybe an escort PF.

By John Trauger (Vorlon) on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 01:09 pm: Edit

I remember when the Howler had 4 P-g's...

By Tony Barnes (Tonyb) on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 01:16 pm: Edit

It doesn't anymore? That was my favorite PF

By John Trauger (Vorlon) on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 01:50 am: Edit

Nope. The basic Hydran PF chassis had one pulled and replaced w/ a P-2 so Howlers have 3 and harriers and hellions have 1.

By Robert Snook (Verdick) on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 04:40 pm: Edit

Still, three Ph-G's is quite nasty...

By John Trauger (Vorlon) on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 11:23 am: Edit

Oh, yes.

I also fondly remember the days of four.

By David Kass (Dkass) on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 08:51 pm: Edit

How about a completely new class of units. The Light PFs. These are PFs closer to interceptors in size (interceptor weapons on a more efficient hull), but with the full 6+6 PF engines (and other power systems). Move cost would be 1/6.

I'll use the Lyrans as an example.

Take the standard PF, remove both disruptors and 2 hull (shortening the booms). Re-arrange the center to add one disruptor (put the disruptor where the bridge, convert the battery to 2 impulse and replace the current impulse with the displaced bridge and battery).

The theory being that the PF did not really have enough power to overload both its disruptors (and didn't need the redundancy for damage purposes--a damaged PF left in combat will quickly become dead). Thus, only give it one disruptor--same power and damage when overloaded as the two standard disruptor shots on the normal PF.

The light PFs were primarily used as casual PFs since they sacrifice some of their long range abilities (the loss of hull space) in the process. They were also somewhat cheaper to build (and had smaller crews), further helping economically in their attrition role.

While the other races copied the design (or not), only the Lyrans really found them useful (and used them in large numbers). Klingons and Kzinti already have one disruptor PFs and losing drone racks doesn't gain anything. Only 2 plasma-F, while giving the first turn strike, prevented the follow-on (the ISC which only lose one F torp might find them somewhat useful). Both the Tholians and Seltorians found them useful in the rare fleet battles, but their lack of versatility (no long patrols and weaker when defending behind webs) and the two race's limited economics kept them rare. Maybe Orions would find them useful, but most have zero energy weapons available. The Hydrans might have found them useful (exchanging the "long" range of Ph-2 for lower cost without giving up fusion beams--but no Hellion or Howler versions).

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