Alexander Fulton:

And as noted, the YEX establishes that their "W" era ship (Speed 17) was armed with three phaser-2s, one drone rack, relatively weak shields, and no armor. If you want to play a ship with phasers and atomic missiles, use the Gorns, I see no need for another empire with the same technology when the Gorn ships already exist.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 06:04 pm: Edit

Gorn (W-era) have WTLs, atomic missiles, and armor. Their Y-era ships have phasers and plasma. I'm not aware of anyone currently combining phasers, atomic missiles, and no armor. (For good reason - it's a very weird mix. Phaser-2s do more average damage than atomic missiles at most ranges they can hit...certainly all ranges they can EASILY hit.)

As to the ships - by naming, I would have assumed the YEX (which I've seen) was one of their first Y-era designs, rather than a W-era. But...well, that's just an assumption. The Peladine playtest material originally posted was out pretty far before Module Y1 established the distinction between W-era and Y-era, so who knows what impact that would have had.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 07:01 pm: Edit

Alexander Fulton:

My error, the SSDs imply that some ships got the phasers but retained the missile racks, but the ship descriptions are pretty clear this did not happen.

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 06:14 pm: Edit

Gary the main announcement was here: http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=10542.0 I ordered some of the minis over a year ago and still have not received them. The Silent Death license is for sale so it is currently in limbo. That is the main reason why emails stopped getting returned and Silent Star Fleet never happened.

Referenced here: http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=8737.msg134250#msg134250

and here: http://www.metal-express.net/forum/index.php?topic=679.15

and here: http://www.metal-express.net/forum/index.php?topic=488.30

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 06:49 pm: Edit

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checked on the ICE online store, and it just said they were movign to individual minis, rather than killing the game off entirely. Was there an announcement elsewhere?

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By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 12:03 pm: Edit

Who knows? Maybe in the moderately not-too-distant future, Mongoose could make some Starline 2500 miniatures for the Early Years. And, for the ICE models, they could "reverse engineer" the SSD silhouettes to make new miniatures.

Just thinkin' ...

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 03:28 pm: Edit

Peladine Early Years.

First, let me be very clear that as Peladine history stands, no such ships really existed.

I am sorry, but that is very much immutable without a massive revision of all things Peladine. (Could be the evil alternate universe Peladine.)

First, the Peladine did not leave their own solar system, they were still just a one system Republic when the Lyrans "came a calling" and stayed.

Second, the Peladine were fanatic about recycling everything they could.

Third, as a result of first and second, there just would not have been a lot of ships.

However, if we (or more properly, the Lyran simulator programmers) imagine a Peladine "empire" that expanded into space shortly after it developed warp power, what would it have looked like (in terms of its space navy)? What weapons and when?

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 03:38 pm: Edit

The NDD was used by the Tholians against the Klingons during the early years, but presumably with particle cannon as well.

By Xander Fulton (Dderidex) on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 04:01 pm: Edit

SPP - While the Peladine clearly no few (or no) W-era ships when the Lyrans came knocking due to their penchant for recycling, the question is...did they ever?

If they historically *had* a fleet of W-technology ships that they scrapped when building their Y-technology ships (which the Lyrans ran into...well, ran over), then these ships did exist, they just didn't historically fight anyone.

I was suggesting that this might be sufficient justification for including them, here. Even if they weren't *historically* used, and were all scrapped by the time the Lyrans encountered the Y-technology Peladine...ahistorical scenarios could experiment with earlier Lyrans encountering the Peladine earlier (W-era Lyrans, for example, vs W-era Peladine).

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 04:19 pm: Edit

Xander Fulton:

As noted, from the Peladine history, they would not have had such a fleet historically. You simply do not need a fleet of ships to run one (1) solar system. If the Peladine had expanded, then yes, but they did not. There were no colonies outside of their one solar system. The Terrans for example colonized in the sublight era and the warp-refitted era. The Peladine did not.

As I have noted, the development of warp power did not lead to piracy, because in one system under one government there simply was no "Somalia" or other rogue colony that pirates could use as a base, and thus no where they could run to. There was just one Peladine government.

The upshot, there is no "fleet" because there is literally nothing for the "fleet" to do. Not even anti-piracy patrols.

No distant colonies to defend, no nothing.

They did not even have the concept of defending against monsters because no monsters visited their system. Their survey ships found monsters, and they developed their weapons (plasma torpedoes) from observing them and installed those on their new ships.

So as noted, from their history they never had sublight warships, or W series warships as it now stands.

So to have such we have to delve into a hypothetical expansion more in line with what other empires did.

By Mike West (Mjwest) on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 09:48 pm: Edit

Quite frankly, if we are going to go and create a mythical empire and suppose what happened if they got their collective heads out of their collective [bleeps], then why don't we do it with on of the big-three major empires instead of a side bit-player from the fringe of the Alpha Sector?

Yes, I am talking about the Romulans. Had they gained warp power like they "should" have, the Alpha Sector could be wildly different. They probably wouldn't have had to sign the Treaty of Smarba to catch up, and their Middle Years (and later) fleets could have been radically different. In fact, if they used their Eagles as W-series ships, they could have had a significantly different Y-series fleet, too.

And I would be very surprised if you couldn't find a large audience for these Romulans than you could for an empire most SFB players have never even heard of.

By Terry O'Carroll (Terryoc) on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 10:58 pm: Edit

The problem is that if the Roms had gotten warp when they should, the history would have been wildly different. Many more wars between the Feds and Romulans, for example. I think the changes would be too far-reaching and make the job of writing it too big to be viable. However, I think a "Romulan threat file", showing what Star Fleet thought the Romulans were building during the one hundred years(!) they had little to no contact with the Federation would be worthwhile. (Heck, if C3A can sell more than expected, then maybe a threat file for the Roms could be viable.)

By Richard B. Eitzen (Rbeitzen) on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 11:35 pm: Edit

The difference is that the Andromedans are the great mystery race, which played into the nature of the C3A product. In that way it was acceptable to have wild ideas of what they might do.

The Romulans? Not so much really. Certainly different ships, but the technology would be mostly the same as per weapons and such. Nothing wildly different like Dissection Beams or Seeking PA mines.