I mean, I sort my counters by empire too.

Since I'll be buying both SSJ3: Romulans That Can Actually Move Prior to Y161 and C3T: Give Me Them Tholians Baby I'll end up with two sets of counters (assuming the double-sided counters happen).

At that point I'll either have the option to field double either empire's ships, or just extremely easily apply a layer of white acrylic model paint to the back of the side I want to cancel out if I really want single-sided counters.

Seems like a complete non-issue.

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 - 11:44 pm: Edit

Oh, I'll still buy these, if you don't ask, you don't get.

By Shawn Hantke (Shantke) on Thursday, July 30, 2020 - 04:15 pm: Edit

I would buy two sets as non F&E double sided counters would annoy me. Then I would color over one side of each. I seperate my counters by Empire and then Type, or Size Class for Ships.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, July 30, 2020 - 10:55 pm: Edit

It was just a thought that made way too much sense. Never mind, R4T will not be on the back of SotE.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Friday, July 31, 2020 - 08:06 pm: Edit

R4T?
SotE?

By A David Merritt (Adm) on Friday, July 31, 2020 - 09:03 pm: Edit

Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, July 22, 2020 - 04:04 am: Edit

The next module will be MODULE R4T: MORE THOLIANS THAN YOU CAN KILL IN A WEEK.

The one after that will be SHADOW OF THE EAGLE, the alternative history Romulans who figured out warp power.

At least one of those (R4T) this year, both within a year.

By Shawn Gordon (Avrolancaster) on Monday, August 10, 2020 - 09:12 am: Edit

These Garcarians are going to give a potential opponent for the EY and MY ISC.

Does that mean we might see some alternate ISC at some point in the future? Maybe Captain's Log content?

By John Hall (Fedf111fan) on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 - 02:58 am: Edit

Were you ever able to find the "missing" countersheet for Module C3A? I think that
would be a good one to publish in PDF form.
You might even be able to include some of
the ships that have appeared in Captain's Logs

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 - 05:14 am: Edit

There is an idea.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Thursday, November 05, 2020 - 07:06 am: Edit

I just noticed the following note in the description of (R7.80) WAR CRUISER HEAVY (HCW) in the Tholian Master Starship Book.

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Quote:

Note: The SSD has been found to be in error. The movement cost should still be 0.67 and not 0.75, and there should be a third 360° phaser-1. Turn mode remains C and breakdown rating remains 3-6.

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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, November 05, 2020 - 07:07 am: Edit

Major Trevor: Email Steve Petrick and tell him I said to do that.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Thursday, November 05, 2020 - 07:27 am: Edit

Done.

But I was a Captain, not a Major. I was grounded (and ultimately left the USAF) due to a chronic recurrent sinus infection, which was incompatible with a flying position. I had surgery, which alleviated, but couldn't fully fix, the issue.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, November 05, 2020 - 08:28 am: Edit

Let me call the Pentagon and get you promoted.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 11:02 am: Edit

Any chance for the Tholians to get a fast ship as even the Seltorians and Vudar have at least one. I can't seem to find a single example of the Tholians having one - If only for internal Intercept missions? Maybe a CWF or DDF as I can't imagine them risking a Neo-Tholian hull or a CA hull?

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 01:58 pm: Edit

A couple of years ago I proposed a Tholian CAF, based on their CA. But ADB didn't accept it.

A DDF might work but I don't think a CWF makes sense due to the timing. The Tholians can't build their CW until after the 312th shows up in Y178. Their CW has a YIS of Y179. And they get their first X-ships in Y183. Since the CWF would presumably be built after the CW design had proved itself, and since design work on the X-cruisers must have started at least a couple of years before the ships were actually deployed, it's hard to see the Tholians building one when they were expecting to deploy X-ships within a year or two anyway.

That at least is my .02 quatloos worth...

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 02:38 pm: Edit

It is a bit late to monkey with the contents of R4T but I will ask SPP to discuss it with me. Done as conjecturals or unbuilt or real, if one gets done there should be two or three.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 04:38 pm: Edit

Another nut wanting to make a comment from the peanut gallery.

Tholian lack of territory suggests (to me) that there will most likely be enough forces nearby to any potential raid/incursion as to not justify the expense of "Fast Response" warships.

Also, with their tactical philosophy of "Let's you and him fight," I see them as being more inclined to trying to convince other people (like the Federation?) into conducting the deep raids that "Fast Ships" are meant to do, rather than risk their own people.

For these reasons, I honestly see the Tholians as prefering to build units like their CAN and CPN (from R10) over any fast/raider type units.

Again, this is just another 0.002 Quatloos from the Peanut Gallery.

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 05:27 pm: Edit

Given the Size of Tholian Holdfast space (even though more than twice as large as LDR space) they do not need a "fast ship" to intercept intruders. And a "raider" ship would be deemed as an obvious intent to raid their neighbors and invite retaliation. Note that even the LDR did not build one, but both the LDR and the Tholians could find a pirate for the job with perhaps a :cut out" or two in the hiring process if a raid were deemed necessary.

Note that the WYN Star Cluster is even smaller, and they did build a raider, but that was with very much (as in whole heaping shovels full) of malice since the ship was intended to conduct raids in support of the war of return.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 05:30 pm: Edit

Jeff,

I guess we differ rather drastically on our notions of how the Tholians should fight. In my opinion the CAN is... well, calling it "junk" is probably overstating the case.

Probably.

But it is my least favorite Tholian cruiser. Honestly, I'm not convinced it's better than a standard CW. It's low speed / poor power curve means there are too many cases when a careful enemy can gain an advantage. And if a CW won't do, I regard either the CWL or CWH as clearly more effective ships. YMM (and obviously does) V.

By Stewart Frazier (Frazikar3) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 05:57 pm: Edit

(even though more than twice as large as LDR space)

(*raises eyebrow*) - 8 to 6 (hexes) isn't 'twice', just a third larger though it is in bases (8 to 3, which is more than twice) ... (g)

By Steve Petrick (Petrick) on Monday, November 09, 2020 - 06:51 pm: Edit

Stewart W. Frazier:

Ever heard of economics? I know you Lyrans cannot count, but still ...

(VERY BIG GRIN).

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - 12:34 am: Edit

Alan, as my favorite philosopher says, "If all the threads in a tapestry were the same size, shape, length, and color, it would be a rug. It's our differences that make humanity the beautiful work of art that it is."

Is the CAN a good ship? Maybe, maybe not. Can it be an effective one? IF flown right, yes. If flown wrong, the weaknesses you pointed out WILL kill it.

Then again, this is also true of any other ship in The Game.

The best thing I can say about the CAN is that I'm sure there're some fans of the design that LOVE pinwheeling them.

By Alan Trevor (Thyrm) on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - 02:03 am: Edit

Jeff,

Uhh... no.

The CAN can not...hmm... I'm trying to word this so it doesn't sound like I'm making a pun...

Ok. Got it. Unlike the the standard CW, the CAN is unable to form a pinwheel.

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - 03:46 pm: Edit

Curious, Alan. I did not know that.

Looking through the books I have, the ship is not mentioned in Annex #7R in my copy of G3, nor is it mentioned in the lists for either "CW Hulls Allowed to Pinwheel" (C14.212) or "Ineligible" (C14.212). The ship description in my copy of Module R10 also says nothing either way.

Guess I'll have to buy a copy of the Dead Tree version of the Tholian MSSB, if they'll let me, and see if it's in there... $

By Jeff Anderson (Jga) on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - 05:11 pm: Edit

A follow-up.

I wasn't as thorough as I should have been. While nothing was said about pinwheeling in the descriptions on page 19 of Module R10, the book was clear about it on page 45.

They can't.

Bummer.