Working Proposals 021-030
Star Fleet Universe Discussion Board: Star Fleet Battles: New Product Development:
Module K2: More gunboats:
Working Proposals 021-030
PROPOSAL K2-021
David Kass
PFTX
An X-ship based PFT. I'm thinking here of converting the X-scouts into a PFT version. This would be in the Y192 or so timeframe as Andro RTN hunters. These may have many of the problems I'm concerned about for Marc's fast PFT ideas. But they'd be on the size class 4 hulls. These would not be X-PFs, just standard PFs (much like some X-ships carry casual PFs).
PROPOSAL K2-022
Richard B Eitzen
Strikeboats:
During the Andro war developed by the ISC to bolster their firepower however they could.
Basic idea, while not advanced technology units themselves, technological advances allowed smaller and more efficient engines to become available. Sort of a hybrid between starship and fighter concepts, these units carried drones and heavy weapons on external hardpoints, but utilized phasers as star ships do.
Somewhat midway between a PF and FF in size, these were size five units that could operate independantly. They used more automation than earlier starship designs so were able to function with a smaller crew.
Move cost 1/4, generally 12 warp, 2 impulse 2 apr, with two batteries (these were advanced tech) with six capacity. Otherwise no advanced technolgy on these units.
A Lyran strikeboat would have three disruptors with two charges each - these could fire as an overload if both charges are used, as well as four spaces of external drone mounts. This ship could launch all of its drones or fire all of its heavy weapons in a single turn.
A Hydran equivalent would use fusion beams with four charges, three charges can fire an overload out to range three, and four charges can fire an overload to range eight.
Maximum range for direct fire weapons is 15.
Forward shields are 15, rear are 12. Perhaps five crew-units (one of which is two boardig parties).
These units are nimble. They have built in EW systems as PFs do.
Drone and heavy weapons hardpoints can be reloaded/recharged, it takes deckcrew actions to do so (as well as the normal amount of energy for heavy weapons).
These units can operate independantly as starships do. They are constructed at shipyards for perhaps 1.5 EP each (in F&E terms), production is limited to three a turn, can substitue three for an FF once per turn.
SVC IS HIGHLY DUBIOUS THAT WE REALLY NEED AN ENTIRELY NEW KIND OF UNIT WITH DIFFERENT OPERATING RULES THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT THE GANG SAYS.
PROPOSAL K2-023
I think that the Jindo's need some metal hulled support ships to round out their fleet (besides basing it on the HDW). They lack a PFT noticably on their metal hulled ships.
So without ado... (these should be pretty easy, and no brainers).
A Metal PFT based upon the DD Hull (not the DW hull), presumably the outdated DD hulls would be used to fill support roles and the DW hulls combat roles...
1) Replace 6x Shuttles w/ Repair-capable Tractors
2) Replace 2x Tractors w/ Shuttles
3) Replace left side 4xNWO+LRG w/ 5 repair
4) Replace right side 4xNWO+LRG w/ 5 repair
5) Replace both remaining LRGs w/ Special Sensors
Yeah this'll have a TON more repair than any other CW-sized PFT (WHICH SVC SAYS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN), but the Jindarians just have a ton of internal volume including the NWO boxes
For the Light PFT (LPFT), it'd be based upon the FF hull (for the same reasons as the DD hull).
1) Replace 4x Shuttles w/ 3x MechLink Tractors+1x Tractor w/ Repair bay (It'd normally carry 3xPFs on it)
2) Replace 2x Tractors w/ Shuttles
3) Replace left side 2xNWO+LRG w/ 3 repair
4) Replace right side 2xNWO+LRG w/ 3 repair
5) Replace both remaining LRGs w/ Special Sensors (yeah it'd have 2x Sensors whereas most LPFTs have 1xSensor).
So yeah, not very imaginative, BUT, it'll allow the Jindarians to field PFs in a battle w/o a rock-CA PFT, or rock-CL PFT, which are head and shoulders above any other alpha PFT.
A Metal Hull LCS would probably fall in the catagory of "Armed PFTs", like the K-D7P or F-CVH, and it should keep it's MRGs to pound opponents in a fight with.
PROPOSAL K2-021
Hasn't this been more-or-less taken care of Module X1R? Almost everyone has already received an X-tech PFT (though SC3 rather than SC4). The Feds don't (yet) have one. But other than them, why would the empires build smaller X-tech PFTs when they already have (more expensive but more capable and more survivable) X-cruiser-based PFTs?
Opinion on Proposal K2-023
We have the three metal hulled "Strike Cruiser" hulls. Might they be better suited for the full-sized PFT hulls? Meanwhile the War Destroyer could be modified for the Patrol Tender duties in a manner similar to the other ones (except Romulans)?
As far as a Destroyer retaining all (or most) of its firepower while at the same time servicing a full flotilla is, in my opinion, overpowered. I'd cite the small Gorn and Tholian PFTs; the former (the DD variant) is almost completely unarmed while the latter (based on the PC) has a higher movement cost, rendering it unable to reach Speeds higher than 25.
In short, while both gained the PFs, for both it came at tremendous cost.
Proposal K2-024: PF Sledge
===ORIGINAL===
The sledge is a cheap, portable home for a PF flotilla.
The sledge contains extended-stay living quarters, repair facilities and cargo boxes to hold supplies for a PF flotilla.
The sledge is impulse-driven, enabling it to hide, since it is not designed to go into combat. In situations where the sledge's impulse drive isn't enough, it can be towed by its PFs in either tactical warp or strategic warp.
A sledge has defensive weaponry, possibly scout channels, but that's about it.
A sledge can be carried as a single-weight pod by a tug.
To make the math easier for PF towing, a sledge has a MC of 2/5 or 3/5.
===EVALUATION===
Wrong on so many levels, such as inventing a whole new class of unit that would proliferate pointlessly, but…
===REVISED===
A pod designed to be a portable PF base that could be quickly dropped at any planet needing such defense. Even this seems an expensive way to do something as a ground PF base would be cheaper and just as easy to move around,
PROPOSAL K2-025
Several
Heavy dreadnought convert to SCS
DUBIOUS that this would be a good use for such a hull.
K2-026
Mike Grafton
Heavy Survey cruiser (BCH hull) used as a PFT.
DUBIOUS that this would be a good use of a rare unit. We already have BCS in the game.
K2-027
Mike West
Romulan K1. We did it in the newsletter a while ago.
K2-028A
Mike Grafton
Q-ship fitted to carry a PF or two internally.
K2-028B
Mike Grafton
Alternatively a PFT skid for a standard or armed freighter docking the PF externally.
K2-029
Alan Trevor
Neo-Tholian PFT Collars
This would be a collar, similar to those that convert the NCA to an NCH or the NCL to an NCM, but rather than increase the weapons and power of the ship, it turns it into a true PFT, though one without special sensors. Note that though most true PFTs have special sensors, there are several, mostly Lyran but also including the Romulan ROC and the Neo-Tholian BB with mech-link refit, that are classed as true PFTs even though they don't have special sensors.
These collars would have 4 tractors with mech-links and 4 repair boxes. They would also require that the NCA's or NCL's two integral tractor beams (one in the rear hull and one in the command module) have mech-links.
The dreadnought version of the collar would have two center hull in addition to the repair and mech-links. It could not be used in conjunction with the Neo-Tholian space control ship but it does add additonal flexibility to the NDN. Use the existing collar and the NDN becomes the NHD heavy dreadnought. Use the PFT collar instead and (assuming the NDN has at least two of its own tractors refitted with mech-links) the ship becomes essentially a Neo-Tholian version of the ROC, a dreadnought that also brings along a full PF flotilla.
SVC is not sure he can agree to four PFs but two should work.
K2-030
Steve Petrick
SCS with 12 PFs and no fighters.
Not really a place we're comfortable going but the door is slightly ajar.
Re: PROPOSAL K-028B (PFT SKID)
Already in R11 (R1.68Y).
K2-030
Steve Petrick
SCS with 12 PFs and no fighters.
Isn't this the Space Patrol ship in R12, published for the Lyrans, and Gorns?
One idjit's opinion on two proposals; K2-025 and K2-030
I agree that having a DNH as the basis for a full SCS (Proposal K2-025) is asking too much for such a hull.
I also agree that (except for the Lyran and Gorn Space Patrol Ships) putting TWO Gunboat flotillas on ANY ship (Proposal IK2-030) is too much.
But what about putting a single flotilla of gunboats on a DNH, but WITHOUT the Fighter Squadron of a SCS?
(My apologies if this has been proposed already; I am, at this point unaware of such a proposal being placed, let alone what its number might be. 
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I think that's called a ROC.
I never said that 12 PFs was too much for a hull. I said it was not a good use of such a hull which has better things to do.
Comment on a heavy dreadnought with PF flotilla but no fighters:
The Romulan Optimized Condor (ROC) is just such a ship; a true PF tender with a full flotilla; and loses NO weapons or power relative to the standard Condor. Moreover, it has better shields than a standard Condor. But the ROC has fewer weapons and power than the CNH-class "heavy Condor".
Does the ROC example mean the Romulans could build a "heavy ROC" with all the power and weapons of a CNH, plus a full flotilla? Maybe, but I'm not convinced. It may be that when the Condor was initially designed there was some "slop" in the design (whether intentional or unintentional) that enabled to ROC upgrade without sacrificing weapons or power. But perhaps the CNH was a "tighter" design with the existing volume used more efficiently to enable the maximum weapons and power for the hull. In that case, adding the systems to make it a true PF tender might be impossible without sacrificing some of those weapon and/or power systems. A CNH-based "heavy ROC" might have slightly more weapons and power than a standard ROC but still fall a bit short of the CNH itself.
Incidentally, the Phoenix Space Control Ship does lose weapons and power relative to the standard Condor (and ROC); 4 APR, 2 batteries, and a single phaser-1. For whatever my opinion is worth, I think the Romulans should have ditched the PHX and built a second ROC instead. The Romulan fighters just aren't that good. That, coupled with the superior power/weapons of the ROC, makes the ROC a more cost-effective option than the PHX for the cash-strapped Romulan economy.
Re: PROPOSAL K2-030 (Space Patrol Ship)
I like these better as core ships than the SCS. An SCS does not allow a three flotilla fleet.
I also would like to see Battleship versions.