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By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 09, 2025 - 04:03 pm: Edit

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Paramilitary: Pay For Slay Forever
October 5, 2025: Earlier this year the United States threatened to halt $336 million in aid to the Palestinian Authority/PA if the Palestinians did not halt their Pay for Slay program. Recent payments were substantial, with some Palestinian terrorists receiving over a million dollars. The most recent payment totaled $142 million for 738 Palestinian terrorists. That averages $193,000 per terrorist.
Last year the PA continued using its Pay For Slay program to reward Palestinian terrorists. Since October 2023, the PA declared nearly 10,000 imprisoned Palestinian and Hamas terrorists as eligible for Pay for Slay money. The PA also recognized an additional 39,000 families of dead terrorists as eligible for Pay for Slay payments. While the PA agreed to the American demands, it is believed that the PA would seek to find a way to make the payments anyway.
The Palestinians responded by establishing a foundation to handle the money. The foundation is still run by Palestinians who simply deny any involvement with the Pay for Slay effort. The foundation dispenses money to needy Palestinians, all of them just happen to be needy terrorists. The Americans have been through this before and this time the PA deceptions may not work.
The PA has long used foreign aid money to run their pay-for-slay program. Since the 1970s the PA has diverted nearly half a billion dollars in foreign aid to pay Palestinian terrorists for killing Israeli civilians and soldiers. There is an elaborate system for paying the families of dead Palestinian terrorists as well as lesser payments for those imprisoned for attacks on Israelis.
Foreign donors eventually learned of this program, which used money donated for the welfare of Palestinian civilians. Donors tried to enforce rules prohibiting use of cash for pay-for-slay programs. The PA keeps finding ways to circumvent these restrictions and continue making terrorism profitable for Palestinians. PA leaders take a portion of the aid for themselves as a reward for continuing to deceive foreign donors.
In 2019 the Palestinian Fatah government threatened to cause an economic catastrophe by refusing partial payments from Israel and donor nations unless everyone stopped deducting the money Fatah spends on supporting and encouraging terrorist activity. In 2018 Israel passed a law to deduct Pay For Slay payments from the $130 million a month it collects in taxes and fees for the Palestinians in the West Bank. Despite that Fatah paid over $20 million to Palestinian terrorists in prison or to their families for deceased terrorists. The U.S. had already enacted a similar law and was deducting a similar amount from the $300 million it currently gives to the West Bank Palestinians. Other foreign donors have taken similar measures.
Fatah complains that the U.S., Israel and other donors are being unfair. Yet it is no secret that many Palestinians become terrorists because they are attracted to the financial rewards, which are considerable for many impoverished Palestinians impoverished by Fatah corruption and incompetence. Palestinians who are jailed, injured or killed while trying to kill Israelis receive large payments from Fatah. For example families of dead terrorists get an immediate payment of $1,700 from Fatah plus monthly payments for the life of the immediate family. These monthly payments consist of $400 to over $1,000 depending on the number of wives and children and can make a family relatively affluent and open new opportunities, like enough cash to afford a people smuggler who can get one or more family members to the West. There is also a bonus of $86 a month if you are a legal resident of Israel and a similar monthly bonus if you were a resident of Jerusalem. Fatah currently pays about $200 million a year to the families
Monthly payments to jailed Palestinians vary according to how long they have been in jail, how many dependents they have and so on. There are also bonuses for how many Israelis the prisoner killed or injured. Some of these convicts get over $50,000 a year. Fatah currently spends nearly $200 million a year to reward over 6,000 jailed terrorists. Fatah considers this payment program a success even though hundreds of Palestinians have died in the Fatah-promoted violence. These attacks also left a growing number of Israelis dead and for Fatah that is political gold as far as Arab language media is concerned.
With this approach, Fatah and Hamas together currently spend over $400 million a year to make murder economically attractive to many young Palestinians. Most of it comes from Fatah although Hamas is trying to make more payments to Palestinians in the West Bank who support Hamas and attack Israelis in the name of Hamas. The Arab language media throughout the Middle East take for granted that these payments are just and necessary for the war against Israel.
In response to the current American and Israeli efforts to penalize Fatah for what is spent to encourage terror attacks, Fatah made it clear it would not halt payments to families for dead or jailed terrorists. Instead, it cut pay to Palestinians who worked for the West Bank government. But by refusing foreign aid money still being offered, Fatah caused shortages of food and other necessities in the West Bank. The ensuing Palestinian outrage and resulting damage were blamed on the efforts to halt pay for slay terrorism support.
Fatah is pleading with Russia and Arab oil states to help them out. Russia is broke and prefers to be on good terms with Israel. The Arab oil states are fed up with the Palestinian preference for self-destructive behavior. When the PA cannot obtain the needed Pay for Slay cash from the usual sources, it records missed payments as debts that must eventually be paid. Pay for Slay is an essential PA program because it brings in more Palestinian men willing to die for money. Families receiving the money honor their dead benefactors for a long time.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Thursday, October 09, 2025 - 11:23 pm: Edit

Note to President Trump: Heard your powerful statement from the cabinet meeting. Maybe next time a bit more on "I hope the Gaza deal works" and a little less on "ever lasting peace."

It is WAY too early to assume this peace deal is actually going to work, and happen, and hold.

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Friday, October 10, 2025 - 03:27 pm: Edit

Secretary Hegseth today announced a finalized agreement that will allow the Qatari Emiri Air Force to build a facility at the Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho. "The location will host a contingent of Qatari F-15's and pilots to enhance our combined training, increase lethality, interoperability, it's just another example of our partnership," Hegseth said. "And I hope you know, your excellency, that you can count on us."

Meanwhile, the U.S. Central Command will establish a civil-military coordination center in Israel to coordinate with some 200 troops being sent to Israel to monitor the implementation of the cease-fire deal in Gaza.

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Friday, October 10, 2025 - 03:36 pm: Edit

A major blast today at Accurate Energetic Systems, a munitions manufacturer and defense contractor in Tennessee, has leveled the facility and left several people dead, with more missing.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 10, 2025 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Israeli cabinet approved the deal, IDF troops start pullback.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 10, 2025 - 04:59 pm: Edit

IDF has completed pullback.

Trump hinted he might recognize Palestine as a country if the whole 20 point plan is followed completely.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Friday, October 10, 2025 - 05:15 pm: Edit

19 missing at Tennessee explosion. People miles away felt the blast.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 03:22 pm: Edit

I think it was in one of Clancy's books, they had the Swiss Guard under the Pope's command be the peacekeepers between Israel & Palestine. I like that idea much more than sending US troops for that job.


Garth L. Getgen

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 03:48 pm: Edit

Maybe Greg Abbott will cover this one? I am sure that Pritzker could recommend a specific unit.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 03:58 pm: Edit

You tube video posted by a pro Ukrainian site is about battle field innovations.

Leads off with a story of a Ukrainian gamer (15 years old) who developed a anti drone shotgun round.

Apparently, using a 3d printer and light weight nylon fishing net, the device is being mass produced, and is now protecting Ukrainians in the field from Russian drones.

A second innovation the Ukrainians are using is large scale deployment of nylon fishing nets protecting entrances to bunkers and other defense works (the video showed trench works).

The Russians have been deploying tanks with sheet metal cages intended to prevent drones from getting into direct contact with tank hulls with explosives.

A third innovation the video talked about (but did not show examples of in the feed) was Ukrainians building fish net cages using fishing net cages with light structures composed of small diameter poles (from the flexing visible during movement at speed, looked like light plastic or bamboo rods between 1/4” to 3/8” diameter.)

Claims that these and other inventions have had a significant impact on the war effort.

I know the United States Marine Corps has announced that they intend to equip their rifle squads and fire teams with shotguns for self defense, but had not heard that there were any “net rounds” available.

Our world is changing.

By Garth L. Getgen (Sgt_G) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 04:02 pm: Edit

Single-source news, feel free to fact check: Kagan Dunlap just posted a YouTube short talking about now that Israeli troops have pulled back in Gaza, Hamas is allegedly rounding up and executing Palestinians accused of aiding the Israelis during their operations. Some of the accused / executed were simply from factions / clans opposed to Hamas, indicating Hamas is trying to eliminate any competition in future elections.


Garth L. Getgen

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 05:15 pm: Edit

There does appear to be interfactional fighting happening in Gaza, yes: Hamas, Ashraf al-Mansi's forces, various local clans, and others are shooting at each other at the very least.

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 05:17 pm: Edit

Various influencers on the right (Laura Loomer, Steve Bannon, Noah Rothman, etc.) are extremely angry with the administration regarding the Qatari facility in Idaho, particularly as Qatar is a country that shelters and sponsors Hamas.

By Hanssonews on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 06:03 pm: Edit

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By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 07:54 pm: Edit

You tube clip describing the scrapping of Russia’s aircraft carrier.

“Russia’s sole aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, is being decommissioned after nearly four decades of troubled service. The move, confirmed by Andrei Kostin — head of Russia’s state shipbuilding corporation and chairman of VTB Bank — marks the end of Moscow’s long-running attempt to maintain a viable carrier fleet.”

This is yet another sign that Russia is in serious decline, militarily and economically.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 08:08 pm: Edit

Unconfirmed report the Xi Jinping , leader of China has suffered a second stroke.

If true, could be cause for concern.

China is having issues on many fronts, ongoing border engagements with border troops on the China India border (near the Himalayan Mountains), the South China Sea, Taiwan, the virtual collapse of Chinese shipbuilding, and the latest reports indicate that China has turned off water services to the United Kingdom Embassy. (Apparently, the British have not approved China’s request to build a “Mega Embassy” along with a very, very large staff of Chinese nationals.)

The imposition of no water is somehow supposed to force the PM of the U.K. To acquiesce.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Saturday, October 11, 2025 - 08:18 pm: Edit

And in other news, the white house announced that the U.S. will purchase four icebreakers from Finland, and build seven more icebreakers to a similar design under license to Finland.

Currently, the U.S. has just two Icebreakers in service. In comparison, Russia operates 40 icebreakers in the Artic.

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Sunday, October 12, 2025 - 09:38 am: Edit

The death toll from the munitions plant blast in Tennessee is now 16, with no survivors. Considering that among their products were M112 demolition charges, I suppose it's not too surprising, but still.... :(

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, October 12, 2025 - 09:33 pm: Edit

By the time we have breakfast tomorrow, the hostages should be released.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, October 13, 2025 - 01:57 am: Edit

The first seven have been handed over.

Media Blackout on the actual hand over, to give families on both sides time to welcome them back.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, October 13, 2025 - 02:58 am: Edit

Those hostages will have deep psychological problems the rest of their lives.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, October 13, 2025 - 08:30 am: Edit

Those that are still alive.

Hamas has a very bad history of killing hostages, then “Trading” the cadavers to israel for concessions, all the while maintaining in the negotiations that the victims are alive and well.

Words fail to express my disgust.

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Monday, October 13, 2025 - 08:49 am: Edit

All of the living hostages have now been released.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, October 13, 2025 - 01:36 pm: Edit

All of the hostages that Israeli intelligence thinks are alive and that Hamas admits are alive have been released, twenty of them.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, October 13, 2025 - 02:24 pm: Edit

Still leaves the remains of 28 deceased hostages.

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