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By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Saturday, June 20, 2026 - 07:37 pm: Edit

I agree that speaking the truth about corruption and bias is unpopular and thus worthy of suppression by those that know it’s happening.

“…and the truth shall set you free…”

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Saturday, June 20, 2026 - 07:44 pm: Edit

Chuck, Down boy, down.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Sunday, June 21, 2026 - 12:01 am: Edit

Sigh, looks like Israel and Hezbollah are at it again. Iran declares this all Israel's fault and says it will attack ships transiting the Strait of Hormuz.

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Hardcore) on Sunday, June 21, 2026 - 01:41 am: Edit

I didn't see this one coming:

"Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump.

2h

There will be NO TOLLS in the Hormuz Strait for 60 days during the Cease Fire Period, and there will be NO TOLLS after the 60 day period has expired, unless they are imposed by and for the United States of America, should the deal not be completed, for services rendered as the Guardian Angel to the countries of the Middle East for purposes of both past, present, and future reimbursement of costs.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!!! President DJT"

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 07:17 am: Edit

Keir Starmer has resigned as British Prime Minister. This will take effect when the party picks a new leader.

Britain has had six PMs in the last ten years.

Under the British system the PM must call a new election within five years of the last election which was in 2024.

President Trump predicted te resignation yesterday.

By Paul Howard (Raven) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 08:00 am: Edit

To add to what SVC said....

We will probably end up with Andy Burnham (former Major of Manchester) - and I honestly don't know if the change will be good.

The UK Governments Income needs to be spent better (more on the MoD) - probably can't say more than than due to politics.

Unfortuunately for Sir Kier - it seems getting into power was alot easier than staying in power.

Some of this issues was his own making (failing to govern well - in that his own Party failed to do the right decisions in early 2025) - various Tax failing by senior Labour MP's and appointing Lord Mandelson, but other issues (Middle Eastern War) and trying to to friendly with both the US and Europe was outside his control.

I doubt history will be kind to him though.

(Tried to stay away from the Gators....... - delete the post if I failed).

On RWM - looks like we might have a new Minister of Defence...once the new PM is sworn in? (out with the old and in with the new (supporters!)

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 09:36 am: Edit

U.K. Defense policy has been a political issue before, but one possible interpretation is that both the Liberal and Conservative governments have had a history of treating the defense budget as a sort of piggy bank.

Both sides have diverted money from defense (Army, Navy, and Air Force) to support other programs, some of which were social priorities.

There was a time when National Defense was a common ground area that had popular support.

Sadly, just changing the PM for another Liberal MP might not change anything.

Let us hope the new PM will be able to work with POTUS.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 11:07 am: Edit

@situation in middle east: Color me surprised. Really, I figured peace had finally been achieved... Truly. Verily...

The only way the Straight remains open w/o Iranian interference is to militarily take the entire region around the straight and simply control it. How much is "region around"? Whatever my top brass says is needed to maintain a real buffer zone where we maintain control and Iran can't do squat.

If I were in charge (ha ha) I would do one of two things: Get out or take the whole kit and kaboodle and stay. Anything else is tiddlywinks.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 12:47 pm: Edit

Until the UK deals with their out-of-control immigration crisis, there will be a growing demand to steal defense funding to subsidize their failed immigration policies.

By SALOMON SHOES on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 02:06 pm: Edit

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By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 02:22 pm: Edit

The U.K. was down to 101,000 asylum claims/requests last year. Not much of a "crisis" for a nation of some 70 million.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 04:44 pm: Edit

Jessica, as you know, the problem is the previous years of mass immigration. Saying "I only rob three houses a year" now doesn't change the damage done robbing 30 houses a year previously.

By Chuck Strong (Raider) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 07:54 pm: Edit

I’m sure that report of the alleged reduction in migrants is of great relief to the 250,000 young girls have been targeted by grooming gangs across the UK over the last several several decades or the man who was almost beheaded in Northern Ireland last week.

…but let’s not talk about the truth about this invasion/infiltration that is undermining the UK’s national security by diverting military spending to non-citizen welfare programs.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 09:25 pm: Edit

Let's not.

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Monday, June 22, 2026 - 11:46 pm: Edit


Quote:

The U.K. was down to 101,000 asylum claims/requests last year. Not much of a "crisis" for a nation of some 70 million.


The quoted numbers suggest that the asylum claims can be easily absorbed because of the proportion of claimants to the population.

While I imagine there is some correlation between the number of claimants versus the population, there is a logical flaw to such a simple approach. That flaw is that it does not take into account the cost of each applicant. That cost is not just in the cash to process each applicant, but the use of social services, the cost of policing and housing, etc, which at least initially must be borne by the public.

I don't claim to be an expert and so I can't fill in the numbers. However, I would imagine that after 10 years an extra million people added to the population of 70M could be difficult to absorb.

If the total cost were $10,000 per applicant, for example, then that would be $143 or thereabouts per citizen over 10 years. But, if the average family is a family of 4, then really the cost would be $571 per household over 10 years ($57 per year). However, a lot of people are on the dole in the UK, and even those who aren't may not be good wage earners, so the burden on the middle class earners go up proportionally. I won't hazard a guess at these numbers, it's getting too speculative even for me.

But imagine if the true cost were $100,000 per applicant over all. Those numbers above would all go up by a factor of 10. That would be very significant.

That's just money. To say nothing of the cultural cost, which is not to be ignored, but which is harder to quantify. This includes crime increase (again hard to really quantify, heartbreaking anecdotes aside).

The point is - a reductionistic comparison of claimants to overall population is not a sound logical basis to assert (or at least, appear to assert) that such claimants could be easily adsorbed by the larger population, or that it would be desirable to do so due to cultural cost.

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Hardcore) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 02:02 am: Edit

If we are to talk about cost and gains... a few points to ponder. Those who come (to Sweden at least) are those with the economic means to flee. Once here they often acquire or start businesses. They probably jump on the opportunity; Sweden is a country with low corruption, and it's comparatively easy to start a business here.
They also bolster the overall work force, which is a temporary gain because of the decline in birth rates affecting most countries, but it is significant nonetheless. At least it gives us more time to figure out what the problem is.

One can look at immigration in many ways. The one where people is the problem have rarely lead anywhere good.

By Steve Cole (Stevecole) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 03:04 am: Edit

Gator Warning!

By Ted Fay (Catwhoeatsphoto) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 10:11 am: Edit

/me eyes Gator's open jaws warily...

Safer to say that the issue is complex, having both positive and negative aspects, and not particularly amendable to reduction.

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 11:23 am: Edit

A Google inquiry:” Sweden is paying immigrants up to 350,000 Swedish kronor (roughly $34,000) to voluntarily leave the country and return to their home nations.

This program, which went into effect in 2026, is aimed at refugees and those with protection status who are struggling to integrate or are dependent on state welfare.

Program Details & RulesThe Payout:

The total grant per person is 350,000 SEK (about $34,000).Eligibility: The grant is only available to refugees, individuals granted protection, and their family members who hold a valid residence permit. Workers from standard EU countries cannot claim this benefit. Newly arrived immigrants cannot apply immediately.

Conditions: Upon receiving the funds, the recipient relinquishes their Swedish residency permit. While there are no current legal restrictions prohibiting someone from applying to return to Sweden in the future, getting a new permit requires going through the standard, rigorous immigration process.

How the Grant is Paid:

The funds are disbursed gradually to ensure the process is completed:

20% is paid when the application is approved, while the individual is still in Sweden.
40% is distributed upon arrival in the destination country.
60% is paid at least 15 months after leaving Sweden, provided the Swedish residence permit has officially expired or been revoked.”

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 11:27 am: Edit

The pay out distribution figures do not add up.

It totals 120%.

Just a guess, but 20% + 40% + 40%=100% might be what should have been reported.

As always, the report was prepared with Google AI and may contain errors.

Y.M.M.V.

By Jessica Orsini (Jessica_Orsini) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 11:28 am: Edit

I see RWM is now "Real-World Migration". The gators are going to eat well.

SVC: Sigh. I tried to stop it.

By Mike Grafton (Mike_Grafton) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 12:05 pm: Edit

IMHO, most migrants aree good people. The problem is the bad ones ruin the perceptions.

You have "first world" nations with low birth rates; hence falling population levels. And migration which may make up the "lost" population.

The question is how to get rid of Carl Criminal, Wilma Welfare and Tom Terrorist out of the incoming stream...

For example my wife is a Filipina I met working for the CPA in Iraq. Getting her a "marriage visa took years. Once she was in the US getting naturalized has taken 5 years (she's been approved and is just waiting to take the oath). I can't imagine anyone, except for the worst racist, saying she is a bad person to come into America. Mother of 2 citizens. Taxpayer as of 45 days after arrival. She works at a nursing home and the residents love her. Her old job, as a cashier at he grocery, asks her to come back. The employees there are still her friends. About the only flaw she has is her terrible fear of driving. So no trips more than 10 miles from the house, snow, rain, or late at night.

It is a national security issue. Dunno how to only get the good ones.

Mike's solution: Identify HOW MANY net migrants we want a year. Engineers, doctors, nurses and such have their own quotas. Get a good system to quickly process requests. No mercy on migrants who commit crimes; they are deported and PNG instantly on conviction. 5-10 year residency requirement to be naturalized. Caught in the US without visa? Deport and PNG for life.

I know many immigrants I am proud to have as friends; Kareem O from Nigeria, Sam B from Trinidad, Elsa D from Byelorussia, Ahmad from Dubai, and Nadia A from Abu Dabi. Last I had heard Elsa had 6 American born kids. Ahmad has 3. Kareem 2 (plus 6 grands), Sam 3... They are a DOE management guy (GS14), EHS guy, Grocery manager, Professional mommy (her husband is a surgeon), and I dunno what Nadia is doing these days.

One criteria I'd use is "can you communicate in English?" Like it or not, is the common language of the US. French speakers can go to Quebec or France...

If you come because of conditions in your home. back you go when that issue is fixed. For example, IIRC Columbia has fixed most of it's issues...

By Jeff Wile (Jswile) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 12:35 pm: Edit

Immigration can affect National security.

all of the hijackers entered the country using temporary visas, and 16 of the hijackers were still legally in the country on 9/11.

Depending on whether you count the so called “twentieth hijacker” four of the 9/11 terrorists over stayed their visa’s at the time of the attack.

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Hardcore) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 12:59 pm: Edit

Yeah, Jeff. The Swedish right wing government is dependent of the votes of the racist "Swedish Democrats" party. We got moronic policies because of that.

By Carl-Magnus Carlsson (Hardcore) on Tuesday, June 23, 2026 - 01:07 pm: Edit

Mike, weeding out "undesirables" for fear of bringing in bad people overlook the fact that people change with their environment. It is pretty hard to be a thief in a modern cashless society for example. OTOH, you can easily get a paid for education to get a job. Of course, that goes for refugees from wars and disasters. Peace time migration is another matter.

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