Range penalty for cloaked ships

Masat · Post by **Masat** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:45 pm

Is the range penalty for cloaked ships "Double and add 4" as read in 5P3b example or is the range penalty for cloaked ships "add 4" as read in 5P3c?

leathernsteel · Post by **leathernsteel** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:59 am

I didn't see anything about the effective range being doubled anywhere but there is a 4 hex penalty. Perhaps you misunderstood that the ship receives only 1/2 damage? I'm going off of the Revision 6 rulebook.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:46 am

Masat, can you determine what version of the rules you have?

Masat · Post by **Masat** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:24 am

first page of rulebook reads "This is a FIFTH EDITION rulebook"

5P3b Fade: Paragraph 3 headed by "Example:". Last sentence. A nearby Federation ship could have fired phasers without penalty during the Direct Fire Phase of Impulse #3 (before he knew the Romulan would cloak), or with the +4 penalty during Impulse #4 (the fade-out period) or with the "Double and add four" penalty during Impulse #5 (when the ship is fully cloaked)

I hope this helps explains the place I am reading.

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:06 am

That was a typo that lasted through version five of the rulebook. It was corrected in version six.

There is no "double".

leathernsteel · Post by **leathernsteel** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:33 pm

Bottom line, when you are fully cloaked, enemies receive a 4 hex range penalty when they fire on you, plus any damage done to you is cut in half.

duxvolantis · Post by **duxvolantis** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:29 am

leathernsteel wrote:Bottom line, when you are fully cloaked, enemies receive a 4 hex range penalty when they fire on you, plus any damage done to you is cut in half.

Note that the +4 range adjusts the 'true range' of the ship. Which means that overloaded weapons with a max range of 8 (ie: photons, distrupters, hellbores) cannot be fired at a cloaked ship at range 5+

This is a VERY useful fact that you can take advantage of easily with proper maneuver and timing.

leathernsteel · Post by **leathernsteel** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:40 am

I can't wait to try this stuff out when I get Romulan Border!

storeylf · Post by **storeylf** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:48 am

duxvolantis wrote: Note that the +4 range adjusts the 'true range' of the ship. Which means that overloaded weapons with a max range of 8 (ie: photons, distrupters, hellbores) cannot be fired at a cloaked ship at range 5+

This is a VERY useful fact that you can take advantage of easily with proper maneuver and timing.

True range is probably not entirely the right term, if I remember correct the +4 range does not push a ship actually 1 hex away to 5 hexes away for the purposes of a PPD myopic zone.

duxvolantis · Post by **duxvolantis** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:32 pm

storeylf wrote:
duxvolantis wrote: Note that the +4 range adjusts the 'true range' of the ship. Which means that overloaded weapons with a max range of 8 (ie: photons, distrupters, hellbores) cannot be fired at a cloaked ship at range 5+

This is a VERY useful fact that you can take advantage of easily with proper maneuver and timing.
True range is probably not entirely the right term, if I remember correct the +4 range does not push a ship actually 1 hex away to 5 hexes away for the purposes of a PPD myopic zone.

A better term would be 'effective range' or something like that.

Kang · Post by **Kang** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:42 pm

leathernsteel wrote:I can't wait to try this stuff out when I get Romulan Border!

In the meantime, you can always try it with Orion ships

leathernsteel · Post by **leathernsteel** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:47 pm

That's a good point, Kang. I'm still going to get Romulan Border though

Kang · Post by **Kang** » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:48 pm

Too bloomin' right, mate! An excellent product.